Bulova 1944 -Non-Conforming

Submitted by JimDon5822 on November 30, 2020 - 10:58pm
Manufacture Year
1944
Movement Model
10AK
Movement Date Code
49 (A9)
Movement Jewels
15
Case Serial No.
4343187
Case shape
Cushion
Case color
Yellow
Case Manufacturer
Bulova
Gender
Mens
Watch Description

This is an interesting one.  It clearly seems to be a Walton case but don't recall seeing a Walton prior to 1948 or one that was 14KT gold plate.  The fact that it is a Sterling base and serial number begins with a 4 indicates the 1944 date is probably accurate.  The movement is a 10AK 15J movement but with an A9 date code.  I did find an 1949 ad for a 17J version of this case called a Gladiator and a 1949 Ad indicating a 15J Walton.  Everything appears to be original with the exception of the crystal.   it has a huge domed crystal.   This one has me stumped.  Is it a 1949 Bulova Walton 15j version or a frankenwatch?

1949 Walton 15J

1944 Unkown
1944 Unknown 2
1944 Unknown 3
Unknown 4
1949 Gladiator
Geoff Baker
Posted December 2, 2020 - 9:36pm

What are the dates and sources of the adverts Jim? It's leaning Non-Con for me

JimDon5822
Posted December 2, 2020 - 10:47pm

In reply to by Geoff Baker

The Gladiator ad is from The Shreveport Journal (Shreveport, Louisiana) · 3 Jan 1949.  The 15J ad is from the 1940 Forum and it says its a newspaper ad for Walton w/ 15 jewles from December 1949 

neetstuf-4-u
Posted December 2, 2020 - 11:04pm

I don't know what to make of this one either. Ads for Walton and Gladiator appear to be the same graphics, and it appears that neither match the face on subject watch based on number shapes, particularly the "5" and "7". This could just be artist rendition, I suppose. It's definitely all Bulova.  I'm on the fence. Earliest date is the case being 1944, which is earlier that any documented Waltons in the Db, and face doesn't match. Then again, all documented Waltons have a hooked leg "7" and date 1948 to 1952.

If the Gladiator ad is a stand alone, it may be a misprint.

This could be a 1944 Walton with a replaced motor, or it may also be an unknown Pre-Walton w/replaced motor. It may even be a 1944 unknown with a replaced motor and face, making it a marriage. I personally don't have enough info to make a call as of yet.

Unknown for me for now.

Geoff Baker
Posted December 3, 2020 - 9:26pm

Certainly a lot in play. I'm looking at the dial and seeing a seconds track that does not match the case. I'm going with Non-Conforming, 1944 per the case serial number.

JimDon5822
Posted December 6, 2020 - 9:21am

In reply to by Geoff Baker

My thoughts:

1.  I am not aware of any A9 10AK movements dating from 1949.  This in itself is unusual. Was the bridge replaced?  Anyone seen one this late before?

2.  1949 movement along with 1944 case.

3.  Dial font. It does not match the Walton.  The best match is a 1949 Director to this dial.

My own self conclusion is this must be a marriage watch. A 1944 case, with a replaced 1949 movement and 1949 Director dial or movement with replaced bridge.

mybulova_admin
Posted December 5, 2020 - 12:23am

So the Galdiator is also listed as 17 jewels

1949 Galdiator

1944 case with a 1949 movement does suggest a marriage of convenience.