Bulova 1935 -Unknown

Submitted by LoganJFisher on October 26, 2023 - 8:12pm
Manufacture Year
1935
Movement Model
6AF
Movement Date Code
Circle
Movement Jewels
15
Movement Serial No.
J518942
Case Serial No.
551586
Case shape
Tonneau
Case color
White
Case Manufacturer
Bulova
Crystal details
11.42 x 14.39
Gender
Ladies
Watch Description

This watch was recently given to me by my grandfather. We believe that it belonged to his mother who died about 15 years ago at the age of 100. I am looking to identify it.

Searching online this ******Active auction links removed by admin - Not allowed per site rules******************* are the most similar watches I've found. The former has the same triple-points in the design on the front, and the latter has the same engraving pattern alone the sides of the watch as can be seen next to the crown.

Regardless of what the latter link above might indicate, I've been given reason to believe that this may be from the 1920s primarily due to its art deco design. I also found an engraved circle on the movement (https://mybulova.com/bulova-date-codes), which would indicate that it was made in 1925, 1934, or 1944.

On the movemement are the engravings "Bulova Watch Co.", "USA", "Fifteen 15 Jewels", "Adjusted", "6AF", and  lastly "RS", and "AF" at the regulator.

On the exterior of the rear casing are the engravings "551586" and "10K Rolled Gold Plate".

On the interior of the rear casing are the hand-engravings which I've interpreted as "A6/111/3", "12/1/07", and "J518942". Only the first of which can be read with the naked eye and can be seen in the photo as my phone camera simply isn't capable of making out the extremely small etchings of the other two. I have low confidence that I interpreted the second engraving correctly, but high confidence that I interpreted the third engraving correctly. I'm not sure if the third is meant to be the movement serial number. If so, it's rather odd to me that it's hand-engraved rather than done by machine like that on the exterior of the casing.

I should note that it runs and the interior plastic dustcover is in place. Also, the strap is marked as "Gemex 1/20-12KT Gold Filled Made in USA".

 Off-white dial, gold arabic numbers and gold "Bulova" on dial, blue minute and hour hands. The case has a tonneau shape featuring art deco ornamentation.
Gold-tone movement with engravings including "Bulova Watch Co.", "USA", "Fifteen 15 Jewels", "Adjusted", "6AF", and  lastly "RS", and "AF" at the regulator.
Plain crown with ridged edge. More art deco ornamentation along the side of the case.
Case number 551586. The 6 is faint but definitely visible.
Hand-engravings which I've interpreted as "A6/111/3", "12/1/07", and "J518942". Moderate-low confidence on the first, low confidence on the second, high confidence on the third. Only the first is semi-legible in the photo due to the small size of the others.
Advertisement for what appears to be this watch casing with a different dial. Sold for $37.50 (equivalent to $850 in 2023)
plainsmen
Posted October 28, 2023 - 1:42pm

I think it's the Constance.  Thata the same case.

mybulova_admin
Posted October 29, 2023 - 5:04pm

I agree that the Constance watch shown in the advert is the same as the watch shown on watchophilia, how I feel that the subject watch and the two other examples we have on site do not match. Certainly the caes is a match, but not the dial.

I'm still at unknown.

LoganJFisher
Posted October 29, 2023 - 5:07pm

In reply to by mybulova_admin

I don't know if this was normal for the period, but I find it interesting that my watch is dated between both of those, yet those two are both Swiss made and mine is US made.

Alex
Posted October 29, 2023 - 8:58pm

In reply to by mybulova_admin

Bulova always had a selection of dials (see my book). Also today, brands like Omega and Rolex models come with different dials. For me, a different dial still makes it the same model. 

LoganJFisher
Posted October 29, 2023 - 9:01pm

In reply to by Alex

It would definitely be interesting if someone could someday find records of what dials were officially offered for each casing though. That would then give some indication of when it's actually the same model and when it's a Frankenstein. Given that we have three examples of this same casing with the same dial though, it seems more likely that this specific combination was officially offered.

mybulova_admin
Posted October 30, 2023 - 9:01pm

In reply to by Alex

Alex, for those that don't have access to your book, would you mind sharing that information in the public space.

JimDon5822
Posted October 31, 2023 - 8:56pm

I am still on the Unknown column.  The Constance is a center second watch with a distinct dial that matches the ad.  This example, as the others listed as unknown, have no second hand and a different dial.  We now have three examples so I believe this is its own distinct model.   Alex can you confirm that Bulova would have had a center second option and one without for the same watch model?  I do not believe they did.  

Kathy L.
Posted October 31, 2023 - 9:51pm

Good catch on the second hand Jim.  I would have to agree with that detail I will be at Unknown.

Alex
Posted October 31, 2023 - 10:34pm

Bulova had a Center second model and called it the Florence Nightingale. It is a different model though. The Center second movement is based on the 6AF and could easily fitted in any case. Hence I need to check the origin of the ad to see who advertised it it could be a jobbers job. 

Alex
Posted November 1, 2023 - 10:28am

The ad is from Morris, a Bulova dealer from the first hour in Wilkes-barre so the name Constance is probably correct. The seconds indicator makes it a nurse watch which Bulova would name after a nurse like they did with the Florence Nightingale. I do find a famous nurse with the name Constance: Constance Mabel Keys from Australia. Although I believe the subject watch uses the same case as the Constance, Bulova would probably name the nurse version different from the regular version. Hence: unknown.